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    Default Full Carry: How did you do it?

    NYFirearms friends,

    To those of you who have full unrestricted carry permits in Upstate NY, I would like to know how you got them?

    When you write your letter to big brother, what do you say to them to convince them to issue you a full unrestricted carry permit? I would like to know, because when I move there, in spite of what my fiance says, I am going to apply for one. I refuse to not carry.

    Help and thoughts are greatly appreciated.
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    It depends on what county you're moving to. Here in Monroe county they generally give unrestricted ccw permits. on my app I wrote in personal defense and target practice as my reason for the permit. BUT other counties do things differently. Unfortunately its up to the judge signing the permit. I have a friend in schenectady, ny and their permits comeback restricted unless you can prove you need to have a ccw. If he wants it unrestricted, he tells me he has to actually go before the judge and give him a "good reason" why. Every county is a little different, I guess it would really matter where you're moving to...

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    Albany and Colonie are very bad, check out the map, I don't know what thread it is on, but the colors will help you decide where to reside, if I recall you were moving to the Albany area?

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    In NY, the person who shares your residence must submit a letter along with your permit application stating that they do not object to you keeping a handgun in the house. Better work on your fiance. You'll need her support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Diss View Post
    In NY, the person who shares your residence must submit a letter along with your permit application stating that they do not object to you keeping a handgun in the house. Better work on your fiance. You'll need her support.
    BD, is that a county thing? I was unaware of that with regards to other people in the home with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Diss View Post
    In NY, the person who shares your residence must submit a letter along with your permit application stating that they do not object to you keeping a handgun in the house. Better work on your fiance. You'll need her support.

    That must be specific to your county, that doesn't happen in mine.


    OP, check out the map that is here as to which counties are the best and worst as far as permits go. Some issue unrestricted freely, some won't issue them at all and still other will after you show that you have attended some training classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Diss View Post
    In NY, the person who shares your residence must submit a letter along with your permit application stating that they do not object to you keeping a handgun in the house. Better work on your fiance. You'll need her support.
    ....or the PD never even calls your references or wife and then issues you no restrictions.

    It really is by county (that's not even true since city of Rochester is diff. than the rest of Monroe county), you can't really say "In NY"

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    Orleans county issues unrestricted as a rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Diss View Post
    In NY, the person who shares your residence must submit a letter along with your permit application stating that they do not object to you keeping a handgun in the house. Better work on your fiance. You'll need her support.
    Wow, I thought that was the whole state. Didn't realize that was just here. FYI, I'm in Rockland County. I think Westchester does this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayKnobs View Post
    ....or the PD never even calls your references or wife and then issues you no restrictions.

    It really is by county (that's not even true since city of Rochester is diff. than the rest of Monroe county), you can't really say "In NY"
    WRONG! When I got my permit last year, they asked if anyone lived with me (at the time, one of my best friends was staying with me till his house was finished being built), I told them yes and the sheriff on the phone wanted his name and phone number to talk to him. They called him and asked him if he was ok with me having a pistol in the apartment. I didn't even have him on my references either and they still checked with him. I also know another guy in Monroe county who they called all his references and asked him if someone lived with him, he said his girlfriend and they called his girlfriend and asked her the same questions.

    So Monroe does ask if people live with you. I would be honest and say yes, you have to be honest with this process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooden View Post
    WRONG! When I got my permit last year, they asked if anyone lived with me (at the time, one of my best friends was staying with me till his house was finished being built), I told them yes and the sheriff on the phone wanted his name and phone number to talk to him. They called him and asked him if he was ok with me having a pistol in the apartment. I didn't even have him on my references either and they still checked with him. I also know another guy in Monroe county who they called all his references and asked him if someone lived with him, he said his girlfriend and they called his girlfriend and asked her the same questions.

    So Monroe does ask if people live with you. I would be honest and say yes, you have to be honest with this process.
    I would say thats up to the personin calling / doing the interview with you. I know many ppl that were asked not asked that question. Im in the city and myself nor my references were ever contacted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cooden View Post
    WRONG! When I got my permit last year, they asked if anyone lived with me
    ...snip...
    So Monroe does ask if people live with you. I would be honest and say yes, you have to be honest with this process.
    I should have been more clear in my post. I live in the city, RPD does the background check. They didn't call anyone about me. You live outside of the city so the Sheriff does the check. They do call your spouse and references. Sorry

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    Jiffy,

    You really should take a look at our pistol permit map and see if you can relocate to one of the green counties when you move here. If I recall correctly you are moving to the Albany area. Depending on how much of a commute you and the SO are willing to put up with you'd have the option of moving to Schoharie or Columbia counties.

    Echoing what others have said it's all dependent on the issuing policies of the local officials in Upstate NY. The different counties run the range from "de-facto shall issue" (Monroe County, i.e: Rochester and it's suburbs) to "Don't even bother trying, we won't even give them to retired LEOs" (Tompkins County, where Ithaca and Cornell University are located). The pistol permit map lays this out pretty plainly, green means citizens are presumed to have proper cause for unrestricted licenses, yellow means that licenses are usually restricted but you might be able to meet the proper cause requirement and red means don't waste your time trying.

    If you do wind up in Albany County it's yellow. You might be able to get a unrestricted license there but it's going to depend your ability to articulate your "proper cause" for the issuance of a unrestricted license and the whims of the Judges in Albany County. Not being from there or knowing anybody from there I can't really comment on your chances. Your best bet would be to talk to people who live there and find out how the Judges and pistol licensing officials operate.
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    I just deleted a few posts out of this thread. Please try and keep this on-topic. Telling the gentleman not to move here after he has already made the decision to do so is not remotely helpful or on-topic.

    He's asking what you have to do to meet the "proper cause" requirement to obtain a unrestricted license. The answer is that it varies between counties. If anybody here has any information relating to Albany County or even the neighboring counties please share it to help the OP.

    Thank you.

    To the OP: Regarding the fiance, you may well need her approval. Again it depends on the county and even the whims of the LEOs that investigate you when you apply. When I applied in Broome County I was never asked about housemates. I had a live-in GF at the time who would have supported me if asked but it wasn't necessary here. It may well be necessary where you wind up though. The fiance doesn't have to be a gun nut but you'd do well to make sure she is comfortable with the notion of having them in the house before you apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayKnobs View Post
    I should have been more clear in my post. I live in the city, RPD does the background check. They didn't call anyone about me. You live outside of the city so the Sheriff does the check. They do call your spouse and references. Sorry
    I wasn't aware of the RPD process for city residents, sorry about the misinformation.

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    In oneida county, they just send a letter to your references and they sign and that's it...nothing at home or anything.

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    When I applied in Ulster Co. many years ago, unrestricted was the common standard. More recent applicants typically all get restricted permits by default as I understand it, but my older permit remains unrestricted thus far. I've spoken about it with the person manning the local licensing desk, and she told me that any new applicants would need to make an appeal to remove restrictions, but she was even unsure herself what would apply as valid good cause to have them removed.

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    good luck buddy, Albany and/or Colonie has 10 judges, it's a roll of the dice for sure

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    I will share my story, take it for whats it's worth. It seems that most people applying for an unrestricted get hung up on the justification such as carrying cash etc., and this may be pertinent. But when I wrote my letter to the judge I went a different route. I tried to emphasize that I was a good citizen. I stated my civic involvements such as being a Volunteer Firefighter in my home town as well as serving on the Board of Fire commissioners. I went on to say that persue sports outside of NY state such as hunting and target shooting in states such as PA, Ct, MA, WV and FL and that having the unrestricted license would enable me to apply for and receive equivalent licenses in those states that I travel too. When I went in front of the Judge he asked if I was still involved in the FD and out of state shooting sports, which I was/am. He looked at me and said I do not see any reason why you should not have an unrestricted and signed off on the application. BTW, i was dressed in a suit for the court appearance, had a fresh haircut and shave.
    I have a friend that is in process right now and tailored his letter after mine. We'll see how things go for him when his appointment comes up in a couple of months.
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    ^^ you had to go in front of a judge? I didn't have to do that..

    In my case I wrote a pretty straight forward letter as to why I required an unrestricted permit such as self protection, hunting, target shooting, hiking, camping, running, cycling and yes even fishing. I also stated that I traveled alone most of the time and I wanted to "lawfully carry a firearm" not once did i mention the 2nd or that "I had the right to bear arms". I was very polite and even included phone numbers and e-mail where i could be reached at "any time" and thanked him for his time.

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    My case was different when I relocated upstate from NYC where I had a non-restricted CCWP for the last 30 yr's due to my job discription at the time ,So when I moved upstate the Judge reconized this & I was given a non- restricted CCWP for my county in which I reside.

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    Actually, in Tompkins country Judge Rowley just won't issue a full carry permit. I know of several individuals who waited 3 moths for the permits to be approved. The only downfall is they are rubber stamped "target and hunting." Interestingly enough, there is absolutely no information that accompanies the permit to define what is meant by "target and hunting."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SierraOne View Post
    ^^ you had to go in front of a judge? I didn't have to do that..

    In my case I wrote a pretty straight forward letter as to why I required an unrestricted permit such as self protection, hunting, target shooting, hiking, camping, running, cycling and yes even fishing. I also stated that I traveled alone most of the time and I wanted to "lawfully carry a firearm" not once did i mention the 2nd or that "I had the right to bear arms". I was very polite and even included phone numbers and e-mail where i could be reached at "any time" and thanked him for his time.

    In orange County? I would liek to hear more. Did you receive an unrestricted? As far as I know all orange County residents go before the Judge if they are requesting an unrestricted license, even LEO's... no exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bllade View Post
    In orange County? I would liek to hear more. Did you receive an unrestricted? As far as I know all orange County residents go before the Judge if they are requesting an unrestricted license, even LEO's... no exceptions.
    Yes.. unrestricted in Orange County, my buddies could not believe i got it, I never got called to go before the judge. The sheriff did do the interview which didn't last more than 15 mins when I went to drop my application but thats about it.

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