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    Governor Cuomo Announces Comprehensive Initiative to Reduce Gun Violence | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo


    Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced a comprehensive initiative to reduce gun violence across the State. The initiative includes leveraging $2 million to develop community specific anti-gun violence strategies, launching a targeted advertising campaign, supporting effective community based violence intervention programs, and creating a toll-free tip line to encourage citizens to report illegal firearm possession.

    "For too long, urban communities across New York have been devastated by gun violence, destroying families and neighborhoods," Governor Cuomo said. "Although the crime rate in New York State has dropped 60 percent, making it the safest large state in the country, we must do all we can to stop the violence and make sure our residents are protected and our streets are safe. These initiatives will give communities the tools they need to effectively fight gun violence and reduce crime, making the state a safer and better place to live for all."

    This initiative is a part of the Governor’s larger urban agenda to aggressively support the implementation of community-based violence reduction strategies involving both the police and the community. The Governor's plan includes four innovative strategies to reduce gun violence across the State:

    Creating Community Specific Anti-Violence Strategies: The Governor is awarding $1 million dollars to six communities – Newburgh, Albany, Schenectady, Brownsville, the Bronx and Manhattan, that are most impacted by gun violence to develop strategies to reduce it. Two prominent academics who have focused on crime and gun violence, Professor Tracey Meares of Yale University and Professor David M. Kennedy of John Jay College, will work with the localities to implement this strategy. They have employed strategies in other jurisdictions that have reduced crime dramatically.

    Launching Advertising Campaign: The Governor will launch a state-wide advertising campaign focused on reducing gun violence. The campaign will utilize several tools that will target and encourage changes in behavior that will reduce violent crime. The campaign is expected to launch in the spring of 2012.

    Supporting Effective Community-Based Programs: The Governor is committed to continue funding community-based programs that have demonstrated effectiveness and a record of success. The Governor recently awarded $700,000 to support anti-violence intervention (also referred to as the SNUG program) in five communities including Yonkers, Albany, Niagara, Harlem and Brooklyn. Based on a public health model of violence intervention, the program funds “violence interrupters,” often ex-offenders who identify potential disputes and try to de-escalate. The program managers are required to submit results by the end of the fiscal year.

    Creating A Toll-Free Gun Tip Line: Individuals in communities with persistently high rates of gun violence will now have access to a dedicated hotline to report illegal guns. The Governor announced today the launching of a toll-free number 1-855-GUNS-NYS (486-7697) that will provide follow-up on caller information regarding the location of an illegal gun. Rewards will be determined based on the value of the lead.

    I must say, this is a much better plan than I was expecting. I was expecting the same ol' ban this and outlaw that.
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    I agree, I read no "Ban (insert random gun parts that really do nothing to make it more dangerous) cuz they sound scary."

    And the ideas overall sound pretty good, offering free firearms instructional classes for people weather they own firearms or not would be good, just so everyone can be more comfortable with or around a weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DystruktoBoi1 View Post
    I agree, I read no "Ban (insert random gun parts that really do nothing to make it more dangerous) cuz they sound scary."

    And the ideas overall sound pretty good, offering free firearms instructional classes for people weather they own firearms or not would be good, just so everyone can be more comfortable with or around a weapon.
    They would never offer any such course. the idea is to make people afraid of guns. I have a problem with that tip line but maybe it's just my suspicious nature regarding anything concerning guns, NYC and this state. where does it say that the tip line will be only for those areas listed? Doesn't. My thinking is that the tip line is statewide, and now, how is the supposed tipster, smelling reward, to know whether or not the gun is illegal. For example, someone sees you carrying a cased long gun from your car/truck to your home/apartment and decides you must be one of those evil gun owners and makes a phone call and you get an unnaounced unwanted knock on the door. I'll wait for the advertising campaign, But don't for one minute think that this is not going to adversely effect legal, lawful gun owners. their answer as I see it down the line will be to register /license all long guns statewide ala NYC as Eric Adams from Brooklyn has proposed. If they don't do that, the whole program will be deemed racist and force statewide registration/licensing on that basis. But that's just my suspicious dirty little mind at work on a Sunday morning.
    And FWIW I've worked every one of those neighborhoods listed down this way and of them all Newburgh scares the living bejesus out of me.

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    Most likely the $ will be used to pay felons to steal guns, AKA buybacks.
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    develop a strategy? Srsly?

    Don't BX & Manhattan fall under Bloomberg? Isn't he responsible for the gun-free city? (LOL)

    It's all continued hogwash... a "look at me" event
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    This doesn't seem too bad. The tip line is not a bad thing. I doubt many law abiding gun owners would get snared in that.
    Criminals carry guns and law abiding citizens carry guns. This legislation, from what I can tell, is at least is aimed solely at the criminal group. I doubt any of it will actually work but at least it's not proposing any additional restrictions on law abiding owners.

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    Just a thought:

    Creating Community Specific Anti-Violence Strategies: AKA making big cities have stronger AWBs then already exist and more/far more restricted CCWs being handed out.

    Launching Advertising Campaign: Kids, remember, GUNS ARE BAD! If you see anyone with a gun at any time, no matter what they are doing make sure you yell "He's got a gun" and call the police and cause hysteria. Plus, anything that looks scary, IS! No one needs military heat-seeking assault WMDs.

    Supporting Effective Community-Based Programs: Gun buybacks to get "bad guns" off the streets (which, funny story, last one I saw plastered on TV had a Hi-Point .40 Pistol on there with some police nimrod saying "Yeah, this is a .40, it has no place on the streets.") In addition maybe they can add more "shot's fired" detection systems so the amount of false shooting calls to the police can go through the roof.

    Creating A Toll-Free Gun Tip Line: "Hi, yes, I saw a guy with a military assault weapon (I learned about them from your ads!) nearby. It looked like an AK-47! (You know, AK-47, like this:

    SEND SOMEONE QUICK!"

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    In theory based on what is written it doesnt sound like a bad thing. But like said above this is NYS and I am just waiting for it to either fail or used against law abiding gun owners. I will be impressed and more for this if atleast the adds are targeting PEOPLE who possess firearms illegaly and not firearms themselves. Only time will tell though.

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    I don't like the call line either, for the exact reason posted above

    AND, how about anyone with a vendetta against a neighbor? Remember that pic that went around of the guy unloading his lil car w/ like 5 or 6 rifle cases? Alls it takes is one call "uh yea, my neighbor is starting WW3" -- i'm assuming that would give probable cause to get a warrant, then you are searched and potentially siezed, along with anything else they may find.

    I'm not advocating criminal activity, but that's the beauty of our country... you are innocent until proven guilty, and if you CHOOSE to commit crimes in your home, that's on you... What bothers me is one "false" report could get you in to trouble when otherwise there would never been an issue

    An example of what I mean is, let's say someone in NYS has a TRUE medicinal need for pot -- although illegal in this state, I am compassionate to the cause because i've seen the pain that some people are in when they use pot for this reason, and it really does help. Lets also remember that pot gives you the munchies, which in turn helps those that can't eat because they have lost their appetite (for whatever reason).

    So lets say now, a neighbor reports you for having assault rifles (even if you don't own them), warrant comes down, raid is done on your home, and they find some pot & a pipe in your house, and now not only is your source of living life a little better gone, but your privacy has been invaded and you may be ticketed...

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    Then you my friend are not living in the real NY Gunowner's world and I'll leave it at that.

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    that last post was in reference to NY_FA's post, BTW

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    Just because someone calls a tip line it does not automatically give the PD cause for a warrant. What's to stop your neighbor with a vendetta from calling 911? Or saying you're running a meth lab? All i'm trying to say is that everything that was mentioned is aimed at people, not guns. I thought that was the direction we were all hoping for.
    We can't just ignore the fact that some communities have serious problems with criminals and that those criminals have guns. So to have legislation aimed at people and communities and not at arbitrary objects is a pretty good step. We give people all sorts of "hotlines" to anonymously report things. Anyone can call CPS if they think I child is being abused (even the elusive vindictive neighbor everyone has mentioned) Anyone in NYC can dial 311 to report unsafe work environments, etc....
    We are always preaching about how arbitrary and useless the proposed gun legislations are and how they are never aimed at the criminals. Well this is aimed at the criminals and not the guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgamer138 View Post
    Just a thought:

    Creating Community Specific Anti-Violence Strategies: AKA making big cities have stronger AWBs then already exist and more/far more restricted CCWs being handed out.

    Launching Advertising Campaign: Kids, remember, GUNS ARE BAD! If you see anyone with a gun at any time, no matter what they are doing make sure you yell "He's got a gun" and call the police and cause hysteria. Plus, anything that looks scary, IS! No one needs military heat-seeking assault WMDs.

    Supporting Effective Community-Based Programs: Gun buybacks to get "bad guns" off the streets (which, funny story, last one I saw plastered on TV had a Hi-Point .40 Pistol on there with some police nimrod saying "Yeah, this is a .40, it has no place on the streets.") In addition maybe they can add more "shot's fired" detection systems so the amount of false shooting calls to the police can go through the roof.

    Creating A Toll-Free Gun Tip Line: "Hi, yes, I saw a guy with a military assault weapon (I learned about them from your ads!) nearby. It looked like an AK-47! (You know, AK-47, like this:

    SEND SOMEONE QUICK!"

    Ahem. Just saying that this IS NY remember...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evild View Post
    This was what I remembered/was hinting to.
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    Launching Advertising Campaign: The Governor will launch a state-wide advertising campaign focused on reducing gun violence. The campaign will utilize several tools that will target and encourage changes in behavior that will reduce violent crime. The campaign is expected to launch in the spring of 2012.

    what? a bill board is going to change behavior? why doesn't the state put a few bill boards in Attica?
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    Hey, if it works on the Meixcan northern border......
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    Sounds like a waste of taxpayer dollars to me.
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    I agree with NYC_FA, the tip line doesn't seem so bad, you do know that there is a tip line for internet scams and terrorist activity too right? So let's say, my neighbor sees me walk to my car with a few semi automatic rifles (which has happened quite a few times already) she can go say she saw me carrying guns to my car, the worst I will get is a local cop coming by, asking if I had guns, ask me if I had them out today, ask me about what time that was and then leave, they have no lawful right to come into my apartment or take anything from me.

    Now how about this, this is a personal experience of my own, I have a friend who sold me a rifle dirt cheap, he didn't use it and he got it from his grandfather (it was just a Marlin 30-30 no family heirloom) so he sold it to me. A few weeks later he says his dad is pissed because he thinks the gun should have been handed down to him and not to his son, he offers to pay me 50 bucks more then what I gave him to get it back, through the course of the conversation I find out his dad has a felony for DWI

    RED GOD DAMNED FLAG!!!


    I explain to him that at this point I give exactly 0 f*cks about his dad and that what he was suggesting is illegal, and my friend drops the subject completely, but at the same time voices a concern that his dad wants to go deer hunting and may try to buy a gun from someone else to do so (I have no idea if u can even posses a hunters license and a felony at the same time) now HERE is where the tip line is good, I could call up, tell them the situation and basically put him on a watch list to make sure he DOESN'T get a hold of any guns because that would make the entire gun community suffer as it gives more reason for the gun-haters to target us saying that "O the lawful gun owners will just give their weapons to felons so we aren't safe anyway until all guns are banned"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DystruktoBoi1 View Post
    I agree with NYC_FA, the tip line doesn't seem so bad, you do know that there is a tip line for internet scams and terrorist activity too right? So let's say, my neighbor sees me walk to my car with a few semi automatic rifles (which has happened quite a few times already) she can go say she saw me carrying guns to my car, the worst I will get is a local cop coming by, asking if I had guns, ask me if I had them out today, ask me about what time that was and then leave, they have no lawful right to come into my apartment or take anything from me.
    But they can say "Let me take a look at those guns. Oh look, an assault rifle. You're under arrest." "But officer, it has no evil features and/or is pre-ban." "Tell it to the judge."

    Don't give then an INCH comes to mind. "Oh, well pistol permits will be ok I guess." And now we need 4 references, 2 background checks, fingerprinting, $100+ fees, classes, notarized applications, etc. That's what happens when an inch is given in this state. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgamer138 View Post
    But they can say "Let me take a look at those guns. Oh look, an assault rifle. You're under arrest." "But officer, it has no evil features and/or is pre-ban." "Tell it to the judge."

    Don't give then an INCH comes to mind. "Oh, well pistol permits will be ok I guess." And now we need 4 references, 2 background checks, fingerprinting, $100+ fees, classes, notarized applications, etc. That's what happens when an inch is given in this state. :/

    Yes but there is an easy way to avoid that situation:

    "Can we have a look at those guns?"

    "May I see your warrant?"

    "We don't have time to get a warrant."

    "Tell it to the judge "


    I will admit that where I am located cops are alot more relaxed about firearms then other areas like Albany or Binghamton, but either way, they need a warrant to touch, take or look at ANYTHING.

    I agree with your what you said about the state though, although I have to say I do agree with pistol permits, even with all the hoops you have to jump through, pistols are usually the firearms used most in crimes, right next to shotguns, and they are super easy to conceal. Altho they should be more laxed on people applying for the permit, I don't agree with the restricted ****, unless there is some sort of red flag it should be a CCW off the bat until u **** up some where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DystruktoBoi1 View Post
    I agree with your what you said about the state though, although I have to say I do agree with pistol permits, even with all the hoops you have to jump through, pistols are usually the firearms used most in crimes, right next to shotguns, and they are super easy to conceal. Altho they should be more laxed on people applying for the permit, I don't agree with the restricted ****, unless there is some sort of red flag it should be a CCW off the bat until u **** up some where.
    Pistols are the most often used in crime correct? Ok...and they still are. Permits fail. 45+ other states agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgamer138 View Post
    Pistols are the most often used in crime correct? Ok...and they still are. Permits fail. 45+ other states agree.

    Yes, they still are, but how many felons cannot easily get one at a local gun store now that they need a permit to purchase one? I personally know of 5. And how many law abiding citizens no longer have to question and worry every time they sell a pistol on here or on armslist or where ever if the guy really IS responsible enough to have that pistol? I said our pistol laws should be more relaxed but I do still think a permit process should be involved, and a safety course, but that is different. All I'm saying is that if this bill is passed and it preforms the same way it reads, it won't be all that bad, but as you said, it usually leads to more ridiculous **** that you never see coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DystruktoBoi1 View Post
    Yes, they still are, but how many felons cannot easily get one at a local gun store now that they need a permit to purchase one? I personally know of 5. And how many law abiding citizens no longer have to question and worry every time they sell a pistol on here or on armslist or where ever if the guy really IS responsible enough to have that pistol? I said our pistol laws should be more relaxed but I do still think a permit process should be involved, and a safety course, but that is different. All I'm saying is that if this bill is passed and it preforms the same way it reads, it won't be all that bad, but as you said, it usually leads to more ridiculous **** that you never see coming.
    Look at the rest of our country? Never even heard of a "permit" to own a pistol. It must be the wild west out there right? But, no, it's not. If you need a "permit" to exercise a right, then should we have permits to exercise free speech? As almost all of us agree, fine, have a permit for CCW and a safety class, but to own!? That is not only unconstitutional, unheard of, unnecessary, and unethical, but it's just plain stupid. Turn 21 (*ahem*, should be 18) and go to the store and buy one like the rest of the country.
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    I agree that you should not need a permit to own a pistol but to CCW then I could live with it. Rifles and shotguns not needing a permit because they aren't as concealable is wrong. If a criminal has a rifle or shotgun and not a pistol they can saw off the barrel and modify it into basically a pistol to conceal it.
    The reason I can see a permit being ok for CCW is because there is a precedent for permits on certain rights. My example I can think of now is right to peacefully assemble. The supreme court ruled (sorry dont remember case) that localities could require permits for demonstrations in order to ensure that the proper facilities are on hand (port a potties).

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    I disagree that it hinders our right, the right to bear arms was made to be able to defend ourselves (and when I say that I mean from foreign invaders or corrupt governments), and we can do that just fine with rifles and shotguns, and yes they can be cut down to be made concealable but pistols were built on the idea of being hand held, takes alot less effort to conceal those.

    I'm agreeing with all of what you are saying I just think that the background check and permit aren't bad ideas, they should add a required safety course and get rid of the fees and references though, then we would be all set. Oh and speed up the process of getting the darn permit once you mail in your application and get rid of this silly "high-capacity" mag bull****.
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