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    Default Moving to Western NY, Pistol Permit Help

    Am thinking of moving from NJ to western NY. Have some flexibility in location. Could be Orleans, Niagara, Genesse or even Erie County. Of course, I want to bring my firearms, including handguns with me. I don't want to go to an Second Amendment Unfriendly County. Can I even get a permit if I don't know anyone in the particular County? I know plenty of people in Niagara County, but have heard that County is anti-Second Amendment. If true, I am ruling it out.

    New Jersey's laws are bad and getting worse, but I have heard that NY is even more difficult.

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    Apparently orleans and monroe are friendly, I'm just about to turn in my application in orleans, so we'll see I guess. The paperwork says something like 6-12 weeks wait here and apparently monroe is a fair amount longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonesriver1862 View Post
    New Jersey's laws are bad and getting worse, but I have heard that NY is even more difficult.
    NJ is much worse than NY (Except NYC which is another world). Just ask the guy doing 7 years for not breaking any NJ laws.

    Most require 4 references that live within the county

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    Orleans worked with me about the references since I am new to the county. I provided two references from Orleans County, and 3 from Monroe.
    Talk to the lady that handles the applications. If they can, they should be willing to work with you.

    My wife got her permit in 4 weeks, but it was rushed as the previous lady was retiring and trying to clear her workload. My permit took between 6 and 8 weeks.

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    Avoid Genesee. No CCW at all. Orleans is not bad. Erie and Niagara are OK, but tougher than Monroe and Orleans.
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    If you don't mind living more South Chautauqua is gun friendly.

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    Thanks. For personal reasons, Chautaqua would be too far south. I am trying to put myself about 35-40 miles from Niagara Falls, 35-40 from Rochester and 35-40 miles from East Aurora. The southwest corner of Orleans county/south east corner of Niagara County seem to work best. After that, it's what County is likely to allow me to bring my handguns in from NJ. Am not going to make this move and leave the firearms behind.

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    "NJ is much worse than NY (Except NYC which is another world). Just ask the guy doing 7 years for not breaking any NJ laws.

    Most require 4 references that live within the county "

    Hate to be put in the position of defending NJ. But in NJ all you need to get is a permit to purchase. That requires a small fee, more fingerprints, another criminal records check and completion of a three part permit. Can be done in a day if you have a firearms friendly local Police Department. You keep a copy of the form which is completed by the seller. The seller sends one copy to the State Police and one to your local police. You don't have to add them to a card. I carry a copy of my part of the form in my gun box or bag in case I had to produce it.

    You do have to have a Federal Firearms ID card, but you have to get that initially even to buy a long gun. That can take time, usually 6 weeks or more if you have a PD that wants to drag its heels. You only need three references and they can come from anywhere. One of mine was from NJ, the other two were from NY. Once you have the Firearms ID card though, you only need to get the permit to purchase. That beats having to move someplace new, not know anyone and then magically come up with a bunch of references, which is what NY seems to require.

    Bad news: we now have a one gun per month rationing scheme, can't get handgun ammo through the mail anymore (sucks if you need something that is not likely to be stocked at a dealer -- i.e. .38 super in lower powered match loads of 900 fps). Concealed Carry is virtually prohibited. Yes, that poor fellow did get railroaded for seven years. Gov. Christie isn't likely to commute either, anything he as done so far suggests that he is a closet anti-gunner. For that reason, I fear him more that Corzine on Second Amendment issues. They are also now trying to introduce another permit level on handgun purchases. It is getting worse, but still it seems to me that the current process is more straight forward and easier to comply with if you are coming in from out of NJ.

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    IIRC, none of them are going to acknowledge your NJ permit, you'll need to get a NY permit to legally possess them.

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    I would think if you have a Jersey permit, it would be fairly easy to get a NY permit?

    Then again, this is NY. Ya never can tell.

    and if you REALLY intend to move to any of those counties.....bring a good snow blower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonesriver1862 View Post
    "NJ is much worse than NY (Except NYC which is another world). Just ask the guy doing 7 years for not breaking any NJ laws. . . .

    Hate to be put in the position of defending NJ. But in NJ all you need to get is a permit to purchase.
    That's all you need to purchase a handgun and in the abstract it may be easier to get a (one) permit to purchase than a NYS handgun license.

    BUT, NJ law makes it a felony to possess a handgun, unless one has a Permit to Carry. A Permit to Purchase does not authorize possession of a handgun, nor does a FPID. And, no one can get a Permit to Carry.

    In NY, possession is a felony, but it is not a crime at all once you have a license -- even a restricted license.

    So: if an otherwise law-abiding gun owner transports a handgun unlawfully in NJ (e.g. indirect trip to gun range) you are looking at a felony with a presumptive 7 year sentence (which is what Aitken got). If you transport a handgun in NY outside the restrictions (if any) on your permit, it is a license violation. BIG difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonesriver1862 View Post
    Hate to be put in the position of defending NJ. But in NJ all you need to get is a permit to purchase
    What do you need to do in New Jersey if you want to get a carry license?
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    I think you need to be a NY resident 1 year before you can get a pistol permit.?

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    what is he going to do with his hand guns in the mean time? Store that at a FFL dealer till such time as he receives a NY permit. ???

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    Moved here from PA 2 years ago. Could not legally "bring" my pistols with me. Had to write a letter to the Judge who approves pistol permits that I didn't have references in NY and also asking for a waiver of the one year residency requirement. Received the OK from the Judge--PA references ok. Took about a year to get permit because my PA references did not send back the notarized form for a couple months. I was then able to have a PA FFL send my guns to a NY FFL and eventually into my hands. Depending on the amount of pistols you have it can get pretty expensive to get those guns (legally) into the state. Rifles (legal) and shotguns are ok to just bring them in when you move. Good luck and research the best county to move to as far as gun ownership/permit go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RochPersDef View Post
    Avoid Genesee. No CCW at all. Orleans is not bad. Erie and Niagara are OK, but tougher than Monroe and Orleans.
    Dave are you sure on that. A coworker that I shoot with lives out in Pavilion which is in Genesee county. He has a CC permit as does his son and wife. He has had a carry permit for many years and his dad did also.

    Whoops Dave is right. Genesee is screwed up!

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    Pistol Permits our processed for Genesee County residents under New York State laws. When you have completed an application and criminal background check, final approval or denial of a permit is the decision of our Genesee County Court Justice.

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    How many weapons am I allowed to have registered on my license?

    The number of handguns permitted on a license is restricted to five (5) handguns. If a permit holder wishes to register more than five handguns, an affidavit is available with the Pistol Permit Clerk, in which the licensee may request up to an additional five handguns and approval to be determined by the Genesee County Clerk. For any additional weapons beyond that, a request must be submitted to the Genesee County Judge for review.


    I want to be able to carry my weapon whenever I want?

    Genesee County pistol permit holders are authorized to possess a carry concealed permit ONLY for the purpose in which they applied for. Issuance of a pistol permit is limited to hunting and sporting use, unless “proper cause” is determined for a special handgun license.

    How can I upgrade my License to have Personal Protection?

    You need to submit a written request to establish proper cause for issuing Personal Protection. You need to cite specific factors, concerns, events, or reasons for the upgrade. You should note that a mere desire to have Personal protection or a generalized concern may not be “proper cause” under the law.

    How can I upgrade my License for the purpose of Employment?

    You will need to submit a written request to establish a need for the Upgrade. Often, a letter from your employer is also required. A review of all relevant information bearing on the claimed need of the license shall be considered.



    Any questions you may have can be directed to the Pistol Permit Department at 585-344-2550 extension 2264.

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    The timeliness of your references responding by mail is the key to a quick permit being issued in almost all cases anywhere in NYS. If you have to have a FFL hold your firearms, use one that is a shooting range. Chances are they will allow you to borrow them to shoot and then give them back when your done after some range time. That way, you won't feel completely deprived.

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    The more I read about these type things, the more I realize was lucky to land/Live in Monroe county.

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    "The timeliness of your references responding by mail is the key to a quick permit being issued in almost all cases anywhere in NYS. If you have to have a FFL hold your firearms, use one that is a shooting range. Chances are they will allow you to borrow them to shoot and then give them back when your done after some range time. That way, you won't feel completely deprived.

    Umm...no. Not with a handgun. No permit, no handle handgun.
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    I guess I'm thinkin' like a gangsta. I would put the **** in the attic for the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpeachObama View Post
    I guess I'm thinkin' like a gangsta. I would put the **** in the attic for the moment.
    Yeah. You get to be a gangsta in jail.

    Also, after you get your NYS permit how would show you got the guns? Seems like that could get complicated.

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    I have read just about every word on this topic and theres only one thing I can add, That is, "NEW JERSEY" Sucks.... Much worst the N.Y. ever could, NYC is so close to Jersey, that why they are so bad... My reasons being I was born and raised in Jersey, Dad was a MC cop as was most of my family... I left at twenty for the USAF, Dad said don't be in a rush to return to this state... In your travels, Find a better state to call your home, so i settle in Connecticut for 35 years, as a LEO. and moved here about 10 years now. I had NO problems with anything here in New York, including getting a UNRESTRICTED LIC. in like 4 weeks... I have returned to Jersey only for the deaths of my Mom & Dad, and to pay respecks to there Spirits once a year. Just one last thing, The last I heard, (Gov. Christie has commute the the seven year sentance for that poor fellow,) and in ending, I think Gov. Christie, is the last hope Jersey has... Thank You, Just my opinion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpeachObama View Post
    I guess I'm thinkin' like a gangsta. I would put the **** in the attic for the moment.
    No do not do this. You must have your handguns shipped from FFL in your home state to an ffl in NY.
    I just went thru this bringing my guns from California.
    Niagara county requires your references live in Niagara county and they must have known you for at least four years.(so it sucks if your new in town).

    The State Police web site has info on bringing handguns from out of state.

    READ THE LAST SENTENCE in the following !!


    New York State currently has no reciprocal agreements with any other states and does not recognize any other state's licenses. It would be unlawful for an individual to move to New York State and possess handguns in the state without first being licensed by the county in which the individual will reside.
    There are two options for individuals already in possession of handguns in their home state.

    • They must either leave the weapons in the possession of an individual in their home state who may lawfully possess them until such time as the owner can legally possess them in New York State, or
    • They may leave them in the possession of a licensed gun dealer in their home state who would be willing to hold them until that individual can lawfully possess them in New York State.

    In either case, the weapons can only be lawfully brought into New York State via a licensed dealer in the home state shipping them to a licensed dealer in New York State from whom the owner may take possession.
    Weapons personally brought into New York by the owner would result in forfeiture of the weapon and possible criminal charges brought against the owner.

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