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    Default does one need to register an antique revolver?

    What has to happen for an individual pistol permit holder in NYS to legally own an antique WW I era revolver that has never been registered?

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    Turn it in and have it added to your permit-----you just found it.
    The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed. NOT EVEN IN NEW YORK

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    This is the instruction I got from the Monroe county clerk in person and exactly what i did with two guns after my grand mother in the attic from grandpa

    Since you live in the city you call 911 and tell them you have a pistol that was given to you, it was a war bring back and you want to add it to your permit. Can they send someone out to pick them up. 911 will be confused by this and ask you if you are surrendering them, tell them NO.

    I car will come buy and officer will ask you if you are surrendering gun, tell them NO, and explain your story. A supervisor will probably arrive.
    Once everyone is on the same page they will take you guns and give you paperwork. They will tell you how long before you can go pick up your green card from PD property room downtown. It's only a couple days.

    You take your card over to the clerk and get it added to your permit. TheN go back and pick up your gun. Bring a case or a bag or something. You will get it back in a brown paper bag.

    NO NOT give them and clips, mags, holsters. Just the gun in a ....paper bag.

    They will NOT shoot it or mark it. They run the serial #, that's it.

    Very easy and free....well $3 to the clerk
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    That sounds like a good plan...does Rochester PD have a non-emergency phone line? Its not exactly 911 worthy call?

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    If this person had, oh, maybe something like a, let's just say a, 1917 Webley Mark VI chambered in the original .455 Webley would it qualify as an "antique", and thus not need to be registered?

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    Now if it were MY gun I might rather have my friendly neighborhood FFL hold it for me...if that's a legal way to get it done.

    Not fer nuttin, but the last time the Rochester Police Department "held" a Crosman 357-6 .177 pellet gun for me it was "lost".

    and BTW, this theoretical individual might live in Irondequoit, not City of Roch proper.

    So I guess my 2 questions are:

    1. How can I determine whether it needs to be registered or not?
    2. How to? ...and I'm really not too keen on the dial 911 suggestion.

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    It has to be at least 100 years old with no commercial ammo available.
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    yes, you call 911. I thought the same thing. But you can call 311. They will tell you to hang up and call 911.

    They will not lose it. Everyone was very cool and professional.
    If you want to keep the gun and not register it get out your hacks and cut it in half.

    No way around it.

    I called my ffl , he said there was nothing he could do. It had to go thru the cops.

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    Since u don't live in the city the sheriffs will come get it.
    You are now on your own. I only know RPD

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    Pistol Permits FAQs
    Q - Are antique handguns subject to the same laws as those applied to modern handguns?

    The Penal Law definition of antique firearm is generally applied to muzzle loading black powder firearms, but also applies to pistols or revolvers "that use fixed cartridges which are no longer available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade".
    Is that ammo even available? This page doesn't say anything about 100 years old although it's only a brief summary of the laws.
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    Dan: Make sure you put it in a gun rug or something so it does not get scratched....
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    I had one on mine. It didn't come back with it. Just gun in bag

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkvibe View Post
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    Is that ammo even available? This page doesn't say anything about 100 years old although it's only a brief summary of the laws.
    "Should a manufacturer begin to produce ammunition for a pistol or revolver for which ammunition had not been available previously, that weapon no longer meets the criteria of an antique weapon and is required to be registered. A pistol or revolver, regardless of age, when possessed with the ammunition necessary to make it discharge, is required to be registered."

    455 WEBLEY : Ammunition To Go

    so i suppose SWIM will have to call the sheriff's office in the morning. aaargh.

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    gotta love the laws. SWIM could legally posses an antique pistol for decades. then, unknown to him, a manufacturer in Timbuktu makes a production run of ammo for it. SWIM is an instant felon.
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    SWIM = Someone Who Isn't Me

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    so far the county clerk pistol permit office has ignored every one of SWIM's four requests for information or direction. no response at all.

    ...guess he'll have to call 911 and hope the revolver doesn't get "lost" like his Crosman 357-6 CO2 pellet gun did after the RPD confiscated it for being an "unregistered firearm". don't get me started.



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    OK, i guess i can admit it now, it was ME all along.

    The revolver is now in the hands of the Irondequoit Police Dept.

    They're gonna run it, and give me a completed report Tuesday to take to the County Clerk. Let's hope that will be sufficient paperwork for the clerk.

    Next. Buy some .445 Webley ammo.

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    Under NEW YORK law -- not federal law -- a "handgun" is ANY handgun that uses cartridges except a handgun "that use fixed cartridges which are no longer available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade." Now the problem is that there are very few cartridges that are no longer available in ordinary channels of commercial trade. Probably early rimfire revolvers from the mid-19th century that simply cannot fire anything that is on the market today, and maybe the pinfire revolvers, but beyond that . . . ? Online stores sell this stuff. That is pretty "ordinary channels" in year 2011.

    Federal law applies a flat cutoff date of 1898, but NY law does not incorporate this for handguns. I have a 1st Model Hand Ejector Smith & Wesson - pre-1898 and an "antique" under federal law. But it is chambered in 32 S&W Long and is listed on my pistol license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcruthis View Post
    Next. Buy some .445 Webley ammo.
    I agree. That is a very cool piece of history.

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    So after two visit to Irondequoit PD...nothin'.

    I asked for the paperwork to take to the County Clerk to register the gun, and they said, and I quote "What paperwork?" followed by "Call us later and leave a message."

    AAAAARGH!

    Oh yeah FIVE calls to the County Clerk, all have gone unreturned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcruthis View Post

    Oh yeah FIVE calls to the County Clerk, all have gone unreturned.
    stop leaving messages, GO DOWN THERE, you'll have an answer in 5 minutes

    NO ONE WILL CALL YOU BACK


    You have the report from the PD that says they took your gun and the name of the officer that wrote the report right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RayKnobs View Post
    stop leaving messages, GO DOWN THERE, you'll have an answer in 5 minutes

    NO ONE WILL CALL YOU BACK


    You have the report from the PD that says they took your gun and the name of the officer that wrote the report right?

    that is exactly what i did.
    just got home from the clerk's office.

    i took the original report from the officer that i gave the gun to, and wrote a letter of explanation detailing where i got the gun, downtown. lo and behold and three dollars later, the county clerk added it to my permit on the spot.

    now all i have to do is convince irondequoit pd to give it back to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcruthis View Post
    that is exactly what i did.
    just got home from the clerk's office.

    i took the original report from the officer that i gave the gun to, and wrote a letter of explanation detailing where i got the gun, downtown. lo and behold and three dollars later, the county clerk added it to my permit on the spot.

    now all i have to do is convince irondequoit pd to give it back to me.

    Awesome... Interesting they did it without a green card from the PD.

    When are you going back to the Irond. PD?

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    i dunno. they tell me that the "property clerk" is at the Grand Jury... so maybe i will try again on Monday.

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    I have received a call from IPD's property clerk. I have appointment tomorrow 10-13-2011 to pick up my revolver!

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