Newbie to the AR platform, advice on this N.Y. legal build.

**Hoang** · 01-11-2021, 07:50 PM

I am looking at this N.Y.S.compliant AR 15, It is marked 'Other" and being offered by a local gun shop as fully compliant. Cost is $1,300. I do know these are assembled in Conn, in stock and available tomorrow. It is also offered chambered for 9mm and some other rounds. I have no idea about the internals, other then what a quick inspection showed.
No chrome on the bolt carrier, no chrome in the barrel. 1/8 twist.
I am told it is compliant as it is okayed under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
I welcome thoughts, as finding anything in stock in my part of N.Y. is near impossible and there seems to be nothing online.
Would you purchase this rifle ? Please if you could add why or why not.
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**Saltwater60** · 01-11-2021, 10:49 PM

Hard to say. I assembled mine for about half that. Times have changed and prices are up and availability is way down.

My assessment is they are not NYS complaint in the format they sit. Could they be made complaint yes but they certainly do not have a fixed magazine and have assault riffle characteristics. You mentioned they are listed as an other so they may not be a riffle as they sit. My assessment of the other is they are technically legal as the safe act mentions pistol, riffle, shotgun and these fall in between a pistol and a riffle. However I think you’d have a hell of a time explaining this to a beat cop. My dad has been a cop for 34 years. I asked him if he knew what an other was and he had no clue. I asked if the gun was legal and he said sure. I asked why and he couldn’t tell me. He just knew I was up to something. I personally am staying away from the others because they will bring trouble at some point. Also they will be classified as an assault riffle soon enough IMO.

Good luck and if they are there and now you could buy one and fix the magazine or swap out parts to make it featureless. That’s what o would do.

**Leadslinger5** · 01-12-2021, 07:47 AM

Pretty much from my understanding, and looking through the safe act compliance, if you can say it doesnt have a removable magazine right off the bat its good to go. "Semi-Automatic rifles capable of receiving a detachable magazine" Is the headline of Registration/Ban. I personally would just pin it and then you can have whatever you want on it, those rifles as already stated are not compliant as they sit but a pinned mag would do the trick and that is how a lot of folks are bypassing all the SAFE act BS.

**Hoang** · 01-12-2021, 12:50 PM

Hi and thanks very much for your reply. I am also concerned about the reclassification, but I would expect it to be grandfathered.
Please let me narrow down my concerns and hope you can bring more info to an answer if you can help.
I am not greatly concerned with the legality of the rifle per se. The shop owner has that covered. We are in a semi rural area, lots of LEO customers. I trust he is on the ball with the legalities. (I have to, I know nothing about them) The rifle was designed to use exemptions to follow Americans with Disabilities guidelines. removable mag, as a disabled person would have problems with other methods of loading, the collapsible "stock" is not in fact a "shoulder stock" but intended to allow disabled people place it in the armpit, or chest.
What concerns me, not knowing who made the receivers, bcg, bolt, barrel....Will the gun last ? It seems pretty expensive for a lot of unnamed parts m, on the other hand, every customer who came in when I was there, had at least one, some 2 or 3, with different chambering. Can you think of any questions you would ask prior to purchase to nail down if it is a worthwhile investment. I will not be running tens of thousands of rounds through it.
Thanks very much for anything more you can add.

**Saltwater60** · 01-12-2021, 01:50 PM

There is not one thing in the safe act that exempts anyone or anything for the Americans with disabilities act. The safe act also does not per say allow for grandfathering of no complaint riffles. It allowed a registration period for certain riffles. I would say it’s an other firearm then buy your description of the stock. Right now I’d say they are legal per the letter of the law but still a risk of arrest and having to defend yourself legally and without costs reimbursement. I stay away from them and I like to find loopholes and law work arounds but not this one.

If you are concerned about the parts I would specifically ask him what was this put together with? Receiver should say but most other things don’t say. If he’s any descent dealer he will know and many care about that so it’s not an odd question to ask. Now is it a good investment is another story. I’d say most guns items bought now are not a good investment as the prices and demand are very elevated. Also can you get ammo and if you can at what costs. I was paying $0.27/round of .223. It’s going for $1.00/round now. 9mm was $0.18/round now it’s going for $0.80/round. So investment no. If you want it or need it buy it. Prices will only go up for now until Biden passes the laws he wants but then they will drop IMO. He wants you to have to register them and pay a $200 federal tax stamp to retain possession of them.

I highly suggest you read the safe act and Biden’s gun policy on these riffles. Plus the gun maybe legal now if you change the stock or the barrel you maybe illegal very easily. It’s complicated with the others. Of you change something and it meets the definition of a pistol or a riffle you are illegal.

What is the guns intended use?

**TheBrain** · 01-13-2021, 08:18 PM

I understand your concern . I recently just purchased an “other” . As long as the gun in question is under a certain length I believe 26 inches . Your allowed to have a pistol grip and a removable magazine . You have to have a fixed stock non collapsible . The rules are very tricky but the gun shops and real builders know what they are taking about . Ive attached a picture of what I purchased legal from a reputable gun shop . A little costly but well worth it . They do offer in different caliber . I also added some upgrades such as muzzle break, sight , grips etc . But this gun is made and assembled well .

**multical** · 01-13-2021, 08:47 PM

You have to understand what “other” means. The SAFE Act does not apply to Others. If it is built by a company that holds the specific BATF letter and it is being sold in NY by a FFL I would say it’s best to never do any change outs on major parts. I also highly recommend a 16” barrel, many of these others have 12.5 and 14 inch barrels that are designated as LEO barrels. I would also have to agree that current legality is no guarantee of things to come. There’s been recent discussions on possible reversals in existing BATF policies on the arm brace. It’s a Biden thing.
As a newbie to the AR platform the “other” may not be a good first AR firearm. I’ve seen several compliant AR Carbines recently in Gun shops for under $800. There s also discussion about if you have, store or transport an Other with any other AR - if the uppers can be swapped you could have two illegal firearms under “conspicuous possession “ laws. Wether you have swapped them or not isn’t the issue it’s about the capability to.

**Saltwater60** · 01-13-2021, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by multical

You have to understand what “other” means. The SAFE Act does not apply to Others. If it is built by a company that holds the specific BATF letter and it is being sold in NY by a FFL I would say it’s best to never do any change outs on major parts. I also highly recommend a 16” barrel, many of these others have 12.5 and 14 inch barrels that are designated as LEO barrels. I would also have to agree that current legality is no guarantee of things to come. There’s been recent discussions on possible reversals in existing BATF policies on the arm brace. It’s a Biden thing.
As a newbie to the AR platform the “other” may not be a good first AR firearm. I’ve seen several compliant AR Carbines recently in Gun shops for under $800. There s also discussion about if you have, store or transport an Other with any other AR - if the uppers can be swapped you could have two illegal firearms under “conspicuous possession “ laws. Wether you have swapped them or not isn’t the issue it’s about the capability to.

Agreed. I think Biden will make these illegal very soon and anything like them. Supreme Court will be null and void because he will pack the court or some retirements will mysteriously happen.

**multical** · 01-13-2021, 09:08 PM

The Brain, The picture you’ve sent sure looks like it has a carbine stock and not an arm brace. I could be wrong. The definition of “Other” firearm precludes the use of shoulder stocks. Depending on your barrel length you may have a SBR and several evil features or a carbine with evil features. My advice is if that is an arm brace make sure you have the BATF letter for it. If you can’t get a letter for the one on it you need to get one on it that does.

**Hoang** · 01-14-2021, 11:56 PM

Gentlemen, thank you all very much for the detailed replies lots of research to do, bud after a brief read, it looks like this weapon could be a huge liability. I really appreciate the time you gave me.

**Saltwater60** · 01-15-2021, 12:20 AM

Best of luck to you and you’re welcome.

**stikshooter** · 01-20-2021, 08:47 PM

At this point learn to cast/and make black powder your self and most important get the original assualt rifle ! A (FLINT LOCK) No FFL /NO brass/primers and all the stuff required for center fire that resemble gold /not affordable and are not quite as available as unicorns ! Laugh now but I did not think america could be a socialist country and a third world country at that , but that is reality as of today .Republicans seem okay with that (the politicians ) for sure . And we have no future with packing courts , adding 2 new democrap states and democraps owning all 3 branches . Learn chinese as they got the reins ,(Right JOEY) ?

**TheBrain** · 01-20-2021, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by multical

The Brain, The picture you’ve sent sure looks like it has a carbine stock and not an arm brace. I could be wrong. The definition of “Other” firearm precludes the use of shoulder stocks. Depending on your barrel length you may have a SBR and several evil features or a carbine with evil features. My advice is if that is an arm brace make sure you have the BATF letter for it. If you can’t get a letter for the one on it you need to get one on it that does.

It does you may not be able to see it from that angle . But it’s there . Also have the letter that goes with it . I chose the two best options I could legally have on my gun. Pistol grip and removable magazine were my choice.

**Wolfsbane** · 01-21-2021, 04:00 AM

What about losing the pistol grip altogether? Replace it with a eye bolt to protect the threads? Hang a lanyard or a retention cord on it.

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**hermcorps** · Yesterday, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Hoang

I am looking at this N.Y.S.compliant AR 15, It is marked 'Other" and being offered by a local gun shop as fully compliant. Cost is $1,300. I do know these are assembled in Conn, in stock and available tomorrow. It is also offered chambered for 9mm and some other rounds. I have no idea about the internals, other then what a quick inspection showed.
No chrome on the bolt carrier, no chrome in the barrel. 1/8 twist.
I am told it is compliant as it is okayed under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
I welcome thoughts, as finding anything in stock in my part of N.Y. is near impossible and there seems to be nothing online.
Would you purchase this rifle ? Please if you could add why or why not.
IMG_0976.jpg

The best advice I can give u is to buy a lower receiver online (there are plenty of milspec lowers for $50-$60 & every brand is essentially the same since there's only a handful of Co.'s that actually manufacturer em) & build the rifle the way YOU want it built.
Compliance doesn't help any of us who truly love & fight to ensure that our 2A right, a vital right endowed by our CREATOR (not the state) & documented by our forefathers as a right that shall not be infringed upon, remains secure. The only way we can ensure the survival of the gun community,
not just in NYS but the entire country, is to never comply with any restrictions, laws, or rules that slowly chip away at the very right that allows us to have a community in the 1st place. If u don't know anything about prohibition back in the 1930's then I encourage u to read about why it was a failure.
I'll give u the short answer, Nobody complied. Everyone drank, bought & owned alcohol. Even though it was federally banned. Laws that nobody complies with can't be enforced properly & eventually die off. A small amount of people might end up being used as examples b4 it does die off,
but that is a price we should all be willing to pay in order to put an end to the lunacy of these vague, unconstitutional, hard to follow laws in our state. Just think what would of happened if the men in 1986 reacted to the NFA just like the people who lived during prohibition, we wouldn't have it now.
This is the only way the gun community is going to be able to secure our rights, especially in the coming yrs. Ik there are gonna be a bunch of people who are gonna respond to this saying I'm not a good example, & don't represent the views of NYers, etc, etc. But those are the dangerous ones & will be
end up being the very reason for the destruction of the gun community from within & the end of our 2A right if their views continue to influence those of us too scared to do what needs too be done. & im not tryong to come off like an a**hole or know it all, i just love our 2A & hope u do the right thing.
Stay safe, Stay ready, & Semper Fidelis.

**Saltwater60** · Yesterday, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by stikshooter

At this point learn to cast/and make black powder your self and most important get the original assualt rifle ! A (FLINT LOCK) No FFL /NO brass/primers and all the stuff required for center fire that resemble gold /not affordable and are not quite as available as unicorns ! Laugh now but I did not think america could be a socialist country and a third world country at that , but that is reality as of today .Republicans seem okay with that (the politicians ) for sure . And we have no future with packing courts , adding 2 new democrap states and democraps owning all 3 branches . Learn chinese as they got the reins ,(Right JOEY) ?

And seriously what do you expect to accomplish with this gun? It’s practically useless for self defense.

**Saltwater60** · Yesterday, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfsbane

What about losing the pistol grip altogether? Replace it with a eye bolt to protect the threads? Hang a lanyard or a retention cord on it.

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This would still be considered a pistol grip. It’s any grip that hangs conspicuously below the action. This still meets that definition. Just because it’s not a manufactured pistol grip doesn’t make it legal. That’s what all the alternative grips do not hang down and go straight back. Also it could be a thin holes stock and that’s illegal as well. Yeah NYS.

**Saltwater60** · Yesterday, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by hermcorps

The best advice I can give u is to buy a lower receiver online (there are plenty of milspec lowers for $50-$60 & every brand is essentially the same since there's only a handful of Co.'s that actually manufacturer em) & build the rifle the way YOU want it built.
Compliance doesn't help any of us who truly love & fight to ensure that our 2A right, a vital right endowed by our CREATOR (not the state) & documented by our forefathers as a right that shall not be infringed upon, remains secure. The only way we can ensure the survival of the gun community,
not just in NYS but the entire country, is to never comply with any restrictions, laws, or rules that slowly chip away at the very right that allows us to have a community in the 1st place. If u don't know anything about prohibition back in the 1930's then I encourage u to read about why it was a failure.
I'll give u the short answer, Nobody complied. Everyone drank, bought & owned alcohol. Even though it was federally banned. Laws that nobody complies with can't be enforced properly & eventually die off. A small amount of people might end up being used as examples b4 it does die off,
but that is a price we should all be willing to pay in order to put an end to the lunacy of these vague, unconstitutional, hard to follow laws in our state. Just think what would of happened if the men in 1986 reacted to the NFA just like the people who lived during prohibition, we wouldn't have it now.
This is the only way the gun community is going to be able to secure our rights, especially in the coming yrs. Ik there are gonna be a bunch of people who are gonna respond to this saying I'm not a good example, & don't represent the views of NYers, etc, etc. But those are the dangerous ones & will be
end up being the very reason for the destruction of the gun community from within & the end of our 2A right if their views continue to influence those of us too scared to do what needs too be done. & im not tryong to come off like an a**hole or know it all, i just love our 2A & hope u do the right thing.
Stay safe, Stay ready, & Semper Fidelis.

Tour comparing apples to bricks with prohibition and gun laws.

People from all walks of life disobeyed the prohibition laws. Only one class of people disobey gun laws. If you need a good example of what would happen look at the BLM riots and then look at the capitol riots. Do you see a difference in the way the media, politicians, police, FBI, and everyone reported and reacted? That’s like prohibition and gun laws. Don’t forget certain people are exempted from the safe act and those are the people that made it. There was no exemption from prohibition plus the government saw a way to make money off of booze. Same thing with them loosening drug laws while increasing gun laws. This will not stop and they will make an example out of every legal gun owner they can. Even if every gun owner didn’t comply it would only be maybe 25% of the population at that own these guns.