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    I tried searching and couldn't find the answers I was looking for. So I apologize in advance if this has already been answered. I have a whole bunch of different questions:

    With my remington 870 express that has a modified choke:

    can I shoot slugs out of a non rifled barrel with that choke? Or do I need a diferent choke? Or can I only shoot slugs with a rifled barrel. Not looking to do hunting, just looking to shoot a few slugs for the fun of it.

    Can I shoot target loads, and 00 buck out of a rifled barrel?

    Currently in NYS with my Remington 870 :

    Can I install a side folding stock?
    Can I install an adjustable stock?
    Can I install a pistol grip?
    Can install a magazine extension to increase capacity to 10 rds?

    Can I buy an 80% AR Lower?
    Can I have a friend finish the 80% AR Lower for me?
    Can I buy use the same AR Lower with different caliber AR Uppers? IE a 223 upper, a 9mm upper, and a 22LR upper, all with the same AR Lower?

    I'm looking at different stock options for the 870, and want to know what styles are no go in this constitution free state. I'm also starting to think about adding an AR to the collection, but I want to get as much versatility and value as I can.

    Thanks!

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    I think you can do whatever you want with your 870 the unSAFE act rules apply the semi autos. Dunno 'bout the ar stuff though. FYI I am taking my 590A1 to the swamps this sunday with a whole mess of slugs.

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    As for the 870, it's a pump, do what you want with it. I'd stay away from slugs with that choke. Yes, you can fire 00 buck from a rifled barrel. No 10 round mags, if you intend to hunt with the gun.
    I know very little about AR's so I can't offer any help there.
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    Slugs will be fine with a Mod. Choke. Forster style. Sabots are made for rifled bbl.'s. OO Buck will lead up the rifled, it is best out of a smooth bore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XP100 View Post
    Slugs will be fine with a Mod. Choke. Forster style sabots are made for rifled bbl.'s. OO Buck will lead up the rifled, it is best out of a smooth bore.
    I agree with the 00 fouling the bore so I wouldn't go over board firing this load from a rilfled bore, but it can be done.
    I don't like using slugs with any kind of Choke, but that's just me. (Although, I do know a slug or two I'd like to choke..!)
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    can I shoot slugs out of a non rifled barrel with that choke? Yes

    Or can I only shoot slugs with a rifled barrel. You do not need a riffles barrel to shootslugs


    Currently in NYS with my Remington 870 :

    Can I install a side folding stock? Yes
    Can I install an adjustable stock? Yes
    Can I install a pistol grip? Yes
    Can install a magazine extension to increase capacity to 10 rds?

    Can I buy an 80% AR Lower? Yes
    Can I have a friend finish the 80% AR Lower for me? No
    Can I buy use the same AR Lower with different caliber AR Uppers? IE a 223 upper, a 9mm upper, and a 22LR upper, all with the same AR Lower? Yes. But a dedicated 22lr upper maybe better as the lr uses a slower twist most of the time. But it can be done

    I'm looking at different stock options for the 870, and want to know what styles are no go in this constitution free state. I'm also starting to think about adding an AR to the collection, but I want to get as much versatility and value as I can.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day444 View Post
    As for the 870, it's a pump, do what you want with it. I'd stay away from slugs with that choke. Yes, you can fire 00 buck from a rifled barrel. No 10 round mags, if you intend to hunt with the gun.
    I know very little about AR's so I can't offer any help there.
    I don't intend to hunt with the 870. When I'm at the range I just hate having to reload so often. Plus if SHTF I figure it would be handy to a shotgun with a 10 rd capcity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Day444 View Post
    I agree with the 00 fouling the bore so I wouldn't go over board firing this load from a rilfled bore, but it can be done.
    I don't like using slugs with any kind of Choke, but that's just me. (Although, I do know a slug or two I'd like to choke..!)
    Right now I don't have a rifled barrel. I only want to shoot slugs occasionally. If I have to have a rifled barrel to shoot slugs, then I wanted to be sure I could other loads out of it besides slugs. I basically want one barrel to do it all, so to speak. I didn't want to have to lug two barrels to range, and then have to swap back and forth between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day444 View Post
    I agree with the 00 fouling the bore so I wouldn't go over board firing this load from a rilfled bore, but it can be done.
    I don't like using slugs with any kind of Choke, but that's just me. (Although, I do know a slug or two I'd like to choke..!)
    So would it be best to remove the choke before firing slugs out of a smooth bore? I just don't want to screw anything up.

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    Foster style slugs are NOT sabot slugs. Foster style slugs are made for a smooth bore shotgun and may be fired out of any choke including full. A sabot slug, (a sub-caliber projectile carried in a plastic SABOT) is designed to be fired in a rifled barrel which has no choke...

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    I tried searching and couldn't find the answers I was looking for. So I apologize in advance if this has already been answered. I have a whole bunch of different questions:

    With my remington 870 express that has a modified choke:

    can I shoot slugs out of a non rifled barrel with that choke? Or do I need a diferent choke? Or can I only shoot slugs with a rifled barrel. Not looking to do hunting, just looking to shoot a few slugs for the fun of it.
    A: Shoot anything through a smooth bore. For slugs you can use any choke but I wouldn't use full or extra full they are too restrictive. Play with different chokes and slugs to find out what's more accurate.

    Can I shoot target loads, and 00 buck out of a rifled barrel?
    A: You can but I wouldn't if it was mine, it's made for sabot style slugs.


    Currently in NYS with my Remington 870 :

    Can I install a side folding stock?
    A: Yes
    Can I install an adjustable stock?
    A: Yes
    Can I install a pistol grip?
    A: Yes
    Can install a magazine extension to increase capacity to 10 rds?
    A: Yes

    Can I buy an 80% AR Lower?
    A: Yes
    Can I have a friend finish the 80% AR Lower for me?
    A: No to be legal it must be done by you.
    Can I buy use the same AR Lower with different caliber AR Uppers? IE a 223 upper, a 9mm upper, and a 22LR upper, all with the same AR Lower?
    A: Yes but you will need a magazine adapter for 9mm and a modified hammer depending on the bolt you use.

    I'm looking at different stock options for the 870, and want to know what styles are no go in this constitution free state. I'm also starting to think about adding an AR to the collection, but I want to get as much versatility and value as I can.
    A: You can do anything you want but have to stick to 10rds or less. Folding, telescoping, top folding and no stock are ok.

    Thanks!

    Added to your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That FNG View Post
    So would it be best to remove the choke before firing slugs out of a smooth bore? I just don't want to screw anything up.
    Don't shoot it without a choke tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNSICK1 View Post
    Don't shoot it without a choke tube.
    What is a choke tube? How is that different then a modified choke or a full choke?

    Pardon my ignorance. But I don't have a lot of experience with shotguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That FNG View Post
    What is a choke tube? How is that different then a modified choke or a full choke?

    Pardon my ignorance. But I don't have a lot of experience with shotguns.
    You can have an older shotgun with a fixed choke size, you will find a lot are modified size. You can also have removable chokes that can be swapped for different size ones, rifled ones and some specialized ones also. What I meant was if you have the removable type don't shoot it without one in the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUNSICK1 View Post
    You can have an older shotgun with a fixed choke size, you will find a lot are modified size. You can also have removable chokes that can be swapped for different size ones, rifled ones and some specialized ones also. What I meant was if you have the removable type don't shoot it without one in the gun.
    My 870 express I bought brand new 2 months ago. It came with a modified choke. So I could leave the modified choke installed and use the stock smooth bore barrel and I would be fine for shooting slugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by That FNG View Post
    My 870 express I bought brand new 2 months ago. It came with a modified choke. So I could leave the modified choke installed and use the stock smooth bore barrel and I would be fine for shooting slugs?
    Yes. Regular slugs will group ok but sabot style slugs are for shooting out of a rifled barrel and won't group well out of a smooth barrel.

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    These responses to your post are kind of all over the place.

    You say you do not have a rifled barrel so all you need to buy is foster rifled slugs or brenneke rifled slugs and you are good to go up to 100 yards. There is no need for another barrel.

    In the event you do get a rifled barrel, you can shoot shot out of it but it will not be accurate at all and fouling of the grooves will occur so it is not recommended. Since you just want to shoot slugs for fun, save your money and keep your smoothbore barrel and buy the above mentioned slugs.

    It is safe to shoot the above mentioned slugs out of a modified choke.

    A choke tube screws on the end of your barrel if it has threads to constrict the opening smaller so you bird and buck shot groups tighter.

    Your Remington is pump action so you can add whatever accessories you want and be legal. This includes folding stocks, collapsible stocks, muzzle brakes, and pistol grips.

    You can install a magazine extension up to 10 rds.

    As far as an 80 percent lower, you cannot legally build a regular AR so why bother? A Saiga, SKS, or a Mini 14 would serve you better as you do not have to neuter these rifles to function within the law like an AR has to be. A neutered AR is just for looks anyway and you run into a slew of problems regarding the legalities of what is compliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by That FNG View Post
    My 870 express I bought brand new 2 months ago. It came with a modified choke. So I could leave the modified choke installed and use the stock smooth bore barrel and I would be fine for shooting slugs?
    Yes with Brenneke and Foster slugs.
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    You can shoot Forster slugs through any choke up to and including full. Do not shoot thru a turkey choke. Too much restriction.

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    The guys above covered most things, but I'll add this.

    Don't buy a rifled barrel unless your hunting with it. A rifled barrel is for further accurate shooting with ONLY sabot slugs. Sure you CAN shoot shot out of it, but as people said it's inaccurate and you'll foul the rifling. Rifled barrels are for serious hunters that want a bit more distance and accuracy than you get with a smooth bore and a traditional slug.

    As for your barrel, it is FINE for shooting regular slugs like Remington sluggers, or the brenneke mentioned above. Some might say modified choke is a bit tight for slugs, and a cylinder bore or improved cylinder are preferred, but it won't blow up you gun or anything. It'll just squeeze the slug a bit more on its way out of the barrel.

    You should be able to put a +6 extension on it if you want to and make the "magazine" 10 rounds, but don't buy some crappy one that gives you feed issues or your SHTF gun will just get you killed. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have 5 that feed than 10 that jam.

    I don't think you told us how LONG your barrel is but assuming it's around 26 inches you can do a lot with the gun. It'll be fine for self defense, and fine for trap or skeet shooting. For skeet you want a more open choke (imp cyl, cyl, or skeet) so that the shot spreads quickly. Skeet shots are closer. For Trap, you may want a tighter choke (mod or full) since newer shooters tend to take longer shots and you want a tighter group. Your gun will also do fine hunting if you want.

    Just buy a few chokes to fit the bill of what you want to do. I have an 870 and I have 3 barrels but could get along fine with only 2. I have an 18" cyl bore barrel for home defense. This is when I'm loaded with buckshot to defend my family, and I have a 28" barrel with a changeable choke for trap shooting. I also have a 20" rifled sight smooth bore that I don't use, but would be nice for hunting if I wished. I have skeet, full, and modified chokes (which it shares with my 1187) and those fit any variety of things I'd want to do with it.

    As for stocks and things sure you can put a pistol grip, a folder, or any other stuff on it...but first I'd ask if you've ever shot a pistol grip 12 gauge? It'll kick pretty hard and for some fun you can youtube people hitting themselves in the face with them, dropping them, etc. It's up to you, but my opinion is shoot your buddies first and decide if that's really what you want to do. I left the stock on mine, got a short barrel, and it's fine for home defense. I'll be more accurate and won't break my nose sighting down the barrel. Each to his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That FNG View Post
    I tried searching and couldn't find the answers I was looking for. So I apologize in advance if this has already been answered. I have a whole bunch of different questions:

    With my remington 870 express that has a modified choke:

    can I shoot slugs out of a non rifled barrel with that choke? Or do I need a diferent choke? Or can I only shoot slugs with a rifled barrel. Not looking to do hunting, just looking to shoot a few slugs for the fun of it.

    Can I shoot target loads, and 00 buck out of a rifled barrel?

    Currently in NYS with my Remington 870 :

    Can I install a side folding stock?
    Can I install an adjustable stock?
    Can I install a pistol grip?
    Can install a magazine extension to increase capacity to 10 rds?

    Can I buy an 80% AR Lower?
    Can I have a friend finish the 80% AR Lower for me?
    Can I buy use the same AR Lower with different caliber AR Uppers? IE a 223 upper, a 9mm upper, and a 22LR upper, all with the same AR Lower?

    I'm looking at different stock options for the 870, and want to know what styles are no go in this constitution free state. I'm also starting to think about adding an AR to the collection, but I want to get as much versatility and value as I can.

    Thanks!
    a modified choke should be ok, but it may not be as accurate as a full choke, I shot slugs threw my 870 with modified choke tube, the only thing I noticed is the wadding would dribble out.
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    Just wanted to point out that for just funnin around at the range a smooth bore and foster slugs provide very acceptable results out to 100 yards! No need at all for a rifled barrel in that application.

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    For clarification, My 870 Express has the 18inch barrel.

    When I refer to a pistol grip, I am talking about either one of these types of stocks:

    http://i40.tinypic.com/2aimy6p.jpg

    http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/o...l/DSCN1383.jpg

    The reason I ask about slugs, is that last time at the range, my buddy offered to give me some slugs to shoot, and I wasn't sure if my 870 could shoot them without requiring a different barrel.

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    Either of those stocks are fine. In fact in the NY Safe Act, a pistol grip stock on a semi automatic is not even considered a feature that makes in into an AW.

    Slugs will be fine from your barrel. You can do anything with that barrel that you probably want to do, and if you want to get a bit more precise get some chokes like I mentioned above.

    I'd only get a longer barrel if you got into more serious trap shooting. But then again, if you get serious about it, you might want a different gun. I'm not that serious and I use my 870, but did get a longer barrel just because I like the heavier weight when I swing it to the bird, and I want it to be a tad more accurate.

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    I'll add that shooting buckshot through a rifled barrel will produce huge and lousy patterning, even at close range.

    See this:

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