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    Can't help it... always worth sharing this video when the "to chamber or not to chamber" topic comes up:

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    I use an unloaded chamber in some guns sometimes. They hold my papers down so a stiff breeze doesn't blow them off the table.
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    Never hurts to have a visual reminder once in a while. Round in the pipe, external safety off at all times.
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    Every time this comes up, it boggles my mind that this is even a discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborneguy View Post
    Every time this comes up, it boggles my mind that this is even a discussion.
    But, but, but..... if there's a round in the chamber, it might just go off..........
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    I agree to keep a round in the chamber but that guy was stabbed no matter what he was carrying whether it was chambered or not .

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    I am more impressed that the shooter let one+ fly with his buddy in the line of fire.

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    Those dudes are still pretty bad ass........

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    love this, jeff cooper...

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    My BIL carries unchambered ALL of the time. I have shared my insight as well as videos to prove that I am correct and he is not. I have taught him, or attempted to, all that I can. He refuses to listen to reason. I have even tried to shame him into changing his ways.

    He is convinced that he can chamber a round in time to defend himself.

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    Simply no point of carrying if you don't have one in the pipe, just remember finger off the trigger til you are ready to eliminate your intended target !

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    Even if not a time thing, you need to be able to fire one handed. The other hand may be holding someone off, or it might be unable to move for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goperfect View Post
    My BIL carries unchambered ALL of the time. I have shared my insight as well as videos to prove that I am correct and he is not. I have taught him, or attempted to, all that I can. He refuses to listen to reason. I have even tried to shame him into changing his ways.

    He is convinced that he can chamber a round in time to defend himself.
    Sucks to be him then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgamer138 View Post
    Even if not a time thing, you need to be able to fire one handed. The other hand may be holding someone off, or it might be unable to move for some reason.
    Precisely this as well ^^^ And yet ANOTHER reason to make sure that external safeties (if equipped) are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwa12479 View Post
    Precisely this as well ^^^ And yet ANOTHER reason to make sure that external safeties (if equipped) are off.
    Well, that depends on the firearm. I carry guns with no safety, but 1911s are supposed to be carried cocked and locked.
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    Question for those who carry hammer fired pistols, and I think applies to this conversation... When carrying with a loaded chamber and manual safety off, do you use a holster that has a strap covering the firing pin area so if there is an "accidental firing" the hammer won't hit the pin? I just got my first 1911 and curious about the style holster I should get since some are saying to carry cocked but no safety on. I assumed I would carry cocked and locked, but now I'm considering this alternative as well. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
    Question for those who carry hammer fired pistols, and I think applies to this conversation... When carrying with a loaded chamber and manual safety off, do you use a holster that has a strap covering the firing pin area so if there is an "accidental firing" the hammer won't hit the pin? I just got my first 1911 and curious about the style holster I should get since some are saying to carry cocked but no safety on. I assumed I would carry cocked and locked, but now I'm considering this alternative as well. Thanks
    MikeG, Regardless of the holster design, I would always have the thumb safety on over a loaded chamber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro View Post
    MikeG, Regardless of the holster design, I would always have the thumb safety on over a loaded chamber.
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    thats what I would have thought but figured I should be open to the alternative discussed above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwa12479 View Post
    Round in the pipe, external safety off at all times.
    You would be a brave but foolish person to carry a 1911 in the condition you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgamer138 View Post
    Well, that depends on the firearm. I carry guns with no safety, but 1911s are supposed to be carried cocked and locked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn B View Post
    You would be a brave but foolish person to carry a 1911 in the condition you mentioned.
    Very true. I do not carry 1911's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwa12479 View Post
    Very true. I do not carry 1911's.
    Not many people do with this superior new modern invention of a thing called a "Glock."









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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
    Question for those who carry hammer fired pistols, and I think applies to this conversation... When carrying with a loaded chamber and manual safety off, do you use a holster that has a strap covering the firing pin area so if there is an "accidental firing" the hammer won't hit the pin? I just got my first 1911 and curious about the style holster I should get since some are saying to carry cocked but no safety on. I assumed I would carry cocked and locked, but now I'm considering this alternative as well. Thanks
    I carry hammer fired pistols that do not have external safeties (sigs and revolvers). Any quality 1911 should be safe to carry cocked and locked without having a retention strap on the holster. As long as the trigger guard is totally covered it should be fine. If a strap covers the firing pin area makes you move comfortable then get a holster that has one. Not needed but piece of mind can help reduce anxiety!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgamer138 View Post
    Not many people do with this superior new modern invention of a thing called a "Glock."









    You spelled Sig wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
    Question for those who carry hammer fired pistols, and I think applies to this conversation... When carrying with a loaded chamber and manual safety off, do you use a holster that has a strap covering the firing pin area so if there is an "accidental firing" the hammer won't hit the pin? I just got my first 1911 and curious about the style holster I should get since some are saying to carry cocked but no safety on. I assumed I would carry cocked and locked, but now I'm considering this alternative as well. Thanks
    I rotate my EDC guns. Also, I always carry my favorite backup, an M&P Shield 9mm, in varied locations.

    In warm weather, my principal carry is either a Ruger SP101 .357, or a S&W Model 66 .357 in a Desantis OWB holster (either right or left hand as I am ambidextrous) that completely covers the trigger, and with a thumb break strap behind (SP101) or covering (Model 66) the hammer.

    In cooler weather when I wear a coat, I tend to carry either a Colt 1911 Commander or a Remington 1911 R1S cocked and locked in a Galco Fletch Hi Rise OWB holster that totally covers the trigger, and with the thumb break in front of the hammer. Both guns have ambi safeties on them, and I practice drawing them and dropping the safety off while acquiring the target and preparing to fire. That's how I was taught: if you feel the need to pull your gun, then you need to shoot it too. Drawing and then not shooting in self defense could get you arrested for brandishing.

    While some advocate no external safety, I prefer to have one. It's your own personal choice, and YMMV. Training to sweep it off with my thumb as I draw, it has become second nature over time. Also, I like having the 1911 grip safety.

    I like the Galco's a bit more than the Desantis ones, as they have a bit more clearance for my index finger. Also, the Desantis ones for the Model 66 have no tensioner, and are open under the trigger guard, essentially making the trigger guards just flaps. I took my holsters to a shoemaker shop and had them sew an added piece of leather on the underside of the trigger to enclose it completely.
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